Reinstalling Windows XP Home after major hardware changes.

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Postby shifty_ben » Sat May 20, 2006 9:20 pm

Anyway MS have released their minimum specs for Vista. Lies, Damned Lies and minimum specs. They claim Vista will run on a 800 with 512MB of RAM. Then again they claim XP will run on a 150 or something stupid. They are recommending 1GB of RAM though.


If Symantec have their way we may not see that at all, see http://news.ft.com/cms/s/08252e16-e6c1-11da-a36e-0000779e2340.html

someone tried to tell me that bill gates invented the internet the other day.


He certainly didn't but it seems to me MS like to pretend they have re-invented it.

I installed XP for a mate a while back, and had endless problems with activation, had to do it over the phone (he doesn't have the net) and their system couldn't give us a code, and then the Customer Service guy kept giving us codes that didn't work. The whole thing is downright rediculous, and this paranoia of people bringing the company down by ripping things off is what will eventually kill MS.
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Postby GMorgan » Sun May 21, 2006 3:12 pm

What about that fact they have 1 middle manager for every 3 coders. Theres such a huge turnover there of staff with the devs being blamed for everything that they will struggle to get anyone talented to work for them. Given a choice between working for IBM or Sun and Microsoft who do you pick knowing that every bad middle management decision will be blamed on you at MS.

The thing that will kill MS in the end IMHO is a push towards open standards. With governments falling into the ODF line left, right and center then there are 2 posibilities for MS.

1. They refuse to accept ODF in which case there will be a reduced usage of MSO with those that do using the plugin to get ODF.

2. They support ODF in which case its a simple matter to switch from one program to another. The main reason people use MSO is that files are .doc .xls etc. When this goes more people will use something else.
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Postby Hello » Mon May 22, 2006 4:22 pm

I reckon MS do still have a few years in them but when OEM`s start shipping with Linux there market share will probably fall quite a lot
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Postby TheDoctor » Mon May 22, 2006 10:59 pm

Hello wrote:I reckon MS do still have a few years in them but when OEM`s start shipping with Linux there market share will probably fall quite a lot


That's why MS puts pressure on OEMs only to ship PCs preloaded with Windows.
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Postby shifty_ben » Tue May 23, 2006 12:18 am

Yup I remember reading somewhere about their contracts forbidding the OEMs from shipping with Realplayer and the like, let alone a non MS OS ;) The way the contracts are likely to work out in future is the only OEMs that will ship with Linux will be the OEMs not shipping Windows. With any luck though MS will get called on these tactics again, or the OEMs will revolt against them :D
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Postby GMorgan » Tue May 23, 2006 12:24 am

I was thinking about the whole OEM license the other day. Would it not be possible to split a small section off say Dell and have them release Linux PC's as a totally different company. Thereby the OEM license is not broken. Anyway if the worlds largest PC manufacturer says we're going to ship Linux can MS really afford to tell them you can't have cheap Windows then. If Dell start selling Windows PC's with non-OEM licenses then their prices are going to go up while the hardy Linux box with security and stuff becomes really cheap and function complete (they could even go as far as shipping Debian and doing their own support.)

Dell have a big reputation and even if a conflict with MS would harm them it would likely do as much damage to MS. This way the M.A.D. means that they could get away with pretty much whatever they want on a small scale and by the time it gets big...

I think MS will still make a big profit on this OS. I think it could be the one that signals the begining of the end though. Whether the switch will be to Linux, Mac or another is still in debate though.

To be honest I'm actually glad Apple have started shipping on x86. My next machine (admittedly a long way off) might be an Apple just to make a statement of intent. I could always put Linux on it later and then it would be indistinguishable from a normal x86.
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Postby shifty_ben » Tue May 23, 2006 12:31 am

I think the beginning of the end started with XP, but thats just my opinion I guess. The thought occurred to me as well that technically Dell (or others) stand to gain quite a lot from selling with Linux preloaded. Lets say that with the windows boxes the box goes for 300 quid and windows is 59 on top of that, making the sale price 359. Take the same box at 300 and whack linux on, depending on which distro they use this could be free. However they could bump the price of the box up by up to 20 quid and people would probably not notice. The price increase would be on the box not the software so no GPL violation there, although IANAL.

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Postby jjmac » Tue May 23, 2006 3:09 am

Just on the "activation" issue. Wouldn't there be a registry key somewhere that stores that. Maybe if you export the various branches to seperate files you might be able to replace or restore that record in the new build. Not the easiest way to go about things i know, but a possible option if everything else turns out to be stacked against you.


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Postby M0PHP » Tue May 23, 2006 7:34 am

I remember some time last year reading that Dell had a Linux option that was more expensive than the same-specification Windows PC :roll:
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Postby nelz » Tue May 23, 2006 8:16 am

The GPL doesn't stop you charging for the software.
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Postby nelz » Tue May 23, 2006 8:18 am

GMorgan wrote:To be honest I'm actually glad Apple have started shipping on x86. My next machine (admittedly a long way off) might be an Apple just to make a statement of intent. I could always put Linux on it later and then it would be indistinguishable from a normal x86.


Some of us run Linux on PPC Apple hardware. It's not indistinguishable from x86 hardware though, the much longer battery life is a dead giveaway :)
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Postby GMorgan » Tue May 23, 2006 2:16 pm

While I appreiciate that you can run Linux on PPC machines I think its fair to say the majority of distributions have a x86 option while a lot won't have PPC options. Just a matter of practicality.
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Postby nelz » Tue May 23, 2006 3:32 pm

Mandriva, Gentoo, (K)Ubuntu and SUSE all have PPC options. We've moved on from the situation of a couple of years ago when the choices were Yellow Dog or Yellow Dog.
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Postby wyliecoyoteuk » Tue May 23, 2006 5:37 pm

Time UK are selling a box with Linux preinstalled, XP home costs £40 extra.
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Postby TheDoctor » Tue May 23, 2006 6:04 pm

wyliecoyoteuk wrote:Time UK are selling a box with Linux preinstalled, XP home costs £40 extra.


Do you have a URL? I can't find them via Google, and doing the middle click thing brings up the time in the UK :D
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