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My Worries about the way IT is going, and a bit of ranting

Postby godofthedevil » Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:48 pm

I saw the screenshots and read the reviews of the lastist windows, and it worries me, Why is it with microsoft their idea of security is to treat everyone like a moron... tell them how they want you to run your pc. XP service Pack 2 is a prime example.. telling you to running automatic update.. thats telling microsoft to say "put anything on my computer". you could be running 3 hardware firewalls 2 software firewalls (and a partrage in a pear tree).. but according to microsoft your computer is NOT secure if your not using their below crappy firewall that does more harm then good... or the most funny thing that unless your cleaver enough to disable through boot.ini the DEP (Data execution protection) which blocks 98% of non-microsoft products or anyone who hasnt payed through thier nose to get a certifcation, which hinders any small time opensource programmer. also asking 3 times that i want to run a program that i say i wanted to run. again if they have bribed microsoft the program is EEEVVVVIILLL or they make it out to be.

anyways this new windows, guess what they have stolen sun's 3d desktop idea... again i think all they consertrate on masking their crapness behind the hood... microsoft dont get it, WE WANT USEABLITY NOT FLASHLY CRAP IF WE WANT FLASH CRAP WE WOULD BUY CHEAP "BLING" FROM THE MARKET STALL!!!. atm i unfortually use XP on my laptop (though i have gentoo on my other computer) and the first thing i did was took off all the crap scemes put the start menu like it should be the colour sceeme a bit less like a 4yr olds "my first computer" and more adlut. Flashy new dailoge boxes saying you cant access your "my documents" folder is not security. you can put any moron blocking addons as you like but you cant stop people being idoits if they dont listen they have to live with the consquencses. everyone has been told, a) dont open attachments.. even from ppl you know unless you are expecting it b) dont click on anything you dont trust c) (for the lads) dont look for free porn d) Check for spyware etc etc etc..
The amount of ppl who ignore those simple guidelines is stupid.. ask any joe home user "ever heard of adaware" they look at you like your from mars or something, even talking about firewalls.. and dont realise NORTON COULDNT FIND A COLD ON A MAN WITH A SNOTTY NOSE!! which i know from experince with using it...
as for opening attachments and dodgy links the message is simple.. remember when you was 6 when your parents teachers and that police lady who gave a talk to your school told you a simple messages "dont talk to starangers, dont take sweets from strangers" have they lost that message somewhere along the line.. which is true.. you know at the end of the day you could have the most powerful antivirus and firewall software in the world but the most powerful protection that most ppl lack these days is common sence... a quote from GRC "a sence of false secuirty is worse then none at all" which is true. well come on you might have the flu jab doenst mean your gonna stand in front of a person whos gonna sneeze on you (sorry for the sick metaphor).

What i like about Linux is yeah it protects ppl from entering the root password but at least when your in root you should know if you mess up you live with the mess up, though i dont like the fact the lastist version of KDM you cant log in as root which is a bit of a pain in some repects. even some linux distros are more easy to install then windows xp, and why does windows XP ask for the product code half way through not at the very start. i do hope that when linux gets the poperlarty it desrves that it wont attempt to idiot proof.. let the idiots learn the hard way like the rest of us, teach them to back up their work not to delete the root folder and read the small print before hitting the next button

i think the main linux companies like Red Hat SuSE Mandriva etc should push for tv advertising space a month before and a month after when Vista comes out. to encourage there is an altertive. enourage to buy or download linux try it out. there is very little advertising for linux apart from a small advert in computer mags. (speaking for the uk of course) more ppl should be aware of linux.. and what it is. how it can benifit them. at the end of the day what does the advrage computer use the computer for.. Writing letters sending emails and surfing the net.. Openoffice.org Thunderbird and Firefox... dont excatly need £150 of bloated crap to run it on (windows) that has more viruses then a cafe conndemed by the health dept. it true some linux's can run on a 486 and can do all the tasks that amd64 can do. also show that linux can do multimedia as well. "anything windows cant do, linux does much better"

hopefully ppl will come to linux and ppl will learn how to use a computer senseabliy. i spose in that day my spelling will be better.. thats why im gonna start an online shop to sell linux cds to help ppl get started with linux (oooh sneeky advertising) if more people use linux, compaines maybe will start driver support.. easier to install programs including the libs needed etc.

still it will never happen as long as microsoft keeps their strangle hold on guillable ppl and pcworld sells overpriced peices of crap to old grannies.
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Postby drws » Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:36 pm

I would agree with you, I'm getting plenty annoyed with the current thinking that PC or Computer means Windows&Office.
Take the European Computer Driving Licence (ECDL), as well as having the stupidist name for a certification, it should really be the Windows/Office driving licence.
The Which? "PC-Guide" is really about running Windows, call it the Windows-Guide!
If thats how we are educating people about computers, then they are going to look for familar things when buying a computer.
I wonder how many people don't even know that Linux Format is a "computer" magazine when they see it on the shelves.

Maybe a section for the magazine should be sending undercover reporters into shops like PC world and ask questions about Linux to see what its rep is like.
I've overheard a inept member of staff at one of these stores tell a customer that linux only worked on servers. It wouldn't work on a PC.
Grandma is going to assume that this idiot knew what he/she is talking about.

Anyway, on with the fight! :wink:
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RE: My Worries about the way IT is going, and a bit of ranti

Postby shifty_ben » Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:57 pm

One point though I agree with what you have both said, whilst it is undoubtedly a major problem that people open untrusted attachments, having exploits that can knacker outlook as soon as you open the email hardly helps matters. As much as I want Linux to take off, I'm not sure the rest of the world is quite ready for it yet. I see so many posts saying is Linux really ready for the Desktop? In reality it should be are users really smart enough to use Linux? sadly though judging by the Beta of Vista, and several press releases etc each release of Windows is going to be more and more dummified, on the plus side it does mean that IT Techs are going to be sparser on the ground, so from a professional point of view Yay more jobs! :D

You think PC world is bad? I went into Dixons out of boredom and found a laptop that was ohh so nice, but I didnt want to pay out for XP, as the installation disk would either become an ashtray or go in the bin, so I asked if there was any way I could get it without XP, the guy got the manager to double check and he told me, sorry its actually illegal for us to sell you a PC/Laptop without an OS installed. I left quite quickly as I was worried I would wet myself laughing at this stupidity.
I think the day that MS makes some huge mistake that drives all its customers away, will be a day where many people suddenly find they don't know how to use a PC anymore.

Incidentally if you look much much deeper into XP then it is far more configurable than even 2k was, its just buried to an extent that most people wont look. Having said that apart from playing about with the Vista beta on Qemu I havent used Windows at home in well over a year :D
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Re: RE: My Worries about the way IT is going, and a bit of r

Postby godofthedevil » Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:17 pm

shifty_ben wrote:You think PC world is bad? I went into Dixons out of boredom and found a laptop that was ohh so .


dixons and pcworld are the same company...

i tell you what im gonna really laugh at.. microsofts poor attempt to combat priacy, though i dont condone it they didnt do much with their product activation bullshit. be honnest who actually has a legitmite copy of windows these days.. unless it was glued on your computer
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Postby shifty_ben » Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:59 pm

They may be the same company, but the level of adeptness in their staff varies greatly between the two, I havent been into PC world in ages, although when I went computer shopping for my Dad I managed to get a PC with double the amount of RAM to what they were advertising. Hint: When playing about on their display machine double check the amount of RAM installed from control panel, and if it is more than advertised insist on having the Display Machine. Just give some story about knowing this one works etc. and if they say you cant then get nasty and point out that they are misleading the customer by having more RAM than advertised in the display machine and that Trading Standards may be interested ;)
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Postby godofthedevil » Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:40 am

well my main question is why do companies feel like they have to child proof everything. eg if parents were not so lazy as to put their medicine in the highist place.. then we wouldnt have to suffer with press down "firmly and twist."

if people took responceablity then we wont need all this crap like microsoft joke 2.0 (sorry seceurity center) websites like drinkaware.co.uk everyone likes to get ratted now and then but the few spoil it for the meny and have done for computers, nights out, food, drink, computers, paracetmoal, etc etc etc.. ok i might be writing non-sence ranting but somewhere i must have a point!

we live in a pardox where idoit proofing just creates more idiots!
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Postby shifty_ben » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:58 am

The drinkaware campaign is actually more to protect retailers than consumers. I work in an offlicense and you may have noticed that recently the drinks trade has got a lot of stick for various reasons. IMHO a large amount of the problem is caused by the parents that go out and buy for their kids, if the kids arent with them then we do not know who they are buying for and must assume innocence :S
Otherwise yea you are right, we are living in a nanny state
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Postby godofthedevil » Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:59 pm

you work in an offliecnence, ah damn goes the idea of buying you a drink for helping me with my hard drive (btw still havnt resloved)

People learn from mistakes, but if we cant make mistakes how are ever going to learn? they just become lazy for example and im a victim of this.. ppls spelling and maths skills are well crap at best, because too meny of us rely on our spell checkers and calucators, say my parents generation they can do it all in their head and maybe a bit of paper, when i did an assement down the job centre for this new deal thingy, i was so supprised i got 100% i thought i was gonna fail it because i know my spelling is crap. and sometimes i have to use a calcuator for the simplist of sums, i know schools are trying to discrouage calucators but if you got mental arymtatic wrong you can see how you went wrong and learn from your mistake.. you cant do that with a caluactor..
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Postby Nigel » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:42 pm

shifty_ben wrote: I went into Dixons out of boredom and found a laptop that was ohh so nice, but I didnt want to pay out for XP, as the installation disk would either become an ashtray or go in the bin, so I asked if there was any way I could get it without XP, the guy got the manager to double check and he told me, sorry its actually illegal for us to sell you a PC/Laptop without an OS installed. I left quite quickly as I was worried I would wet myself laughing at this stupidity.


Even more worrying... I had that same bulls**t from an HP sales bimbo at last year's Linux World show :roll:
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Postby godofthedevil » Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:51 pm

this seems like the dilema to me, one thing that linux is not as popular as it should be is the lack of drivers, yet hardware manifatiers dont write drivers or are very hard to come by is because not enough ppl use linux. kinda like going round in circules in some repect. the only reason i use microsoft windows at home these days is because my printer doesnt work on linux and there is not any drivers for my printer, and yeah i know i could go and buy a printer that does work with linux.. if i had the money.. but that is not the point really.
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Postby GMorgan » Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:10 pm

Talking about people knowing nothing about computers. My uncle only 3 months ago spent £250 on a pentium 200. He bought it without asking me because he trusted the person who sold it but it turns out they know nothing as well (didn't intentionally pull the biggest ripoff ever). The mad thing about it is I offered him an old 400 I was going to throw out for free as long as he got hold of a monitor (£20 on E-Bay) from somewhere else. He didn't want that but bought a museum piece for a decent stack without asking me (ok the one I offered was a museum piece but far in advance of the one he bought).

The annoying thing is he keeps nagging me to get MS Office to run on it. I don't have the floppy's for the old Win 95 version of MS Office anymore.

This is the third time a family member has paid through the teeth for a machine that is only worth anything as a charity piece. Each time I tell them all to simply ask me first but to no avail.
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Postby godofthedevil » Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:33 pm

show him openoffice.

£250 you could buid a half deicent computer for that... well i dunno enough to run any kind of office program on it.. and connect it to an medievil printing works via a serial cable hehe.
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RE: Re: RE: My Worries about the way IT is going, and a bit

Postby jjmac » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:01 am

shifty_ben wrote:
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I went into Dixons out of boredom and found a laptop that was ohh so nice, but I didnt want to pay out for XP, as the installation disk would either become an ashtray or go in the bin, so I asked if there was any way I could get it without XP, the guy got the manager to double check and he told me, sorry its actually illegal for us to sell you a PC/Laptop without an OS installed. I left quite quickly as I was worried I would wet myself laughing at this stupidity.
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Yes, (grin) perception turns to belief, and like advertising, FUD does work.

Here in .au, i can remember a news paper article about this bloke in Melbourne who wanted a refund on a pre-installed windows.

The shop refused saying that thats the way it is... The local Fair Trading commission disagreed.

He had to take the company to court himself ... and it took time, but he eventually won.

Though most people wouldn't go to that trouble.

There is no legal protection for the seller to insist that an OS is pre-installed.

MS will vary their price structure to reward compliant OEMs though. And if they baulk MS, they can be penalised by MS damaging their profitability.

The trick in that case though, was that the OS wasn't mentioned in the advertised package deal. But the company learnt from that and now apparently includes the OS as part of the package description. Effectively thwarting any potential for the buyer to reject that part of the deal.

I do notice that all the advertisements for Pre-builds over hear now include the stated Win OS.

This was some time ago of course and i would expect the OS inclusion in the package description is common, if not, always.

So the above becomes quite redundant really.


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Postby jjmac » Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:41 am

Just on the general theme here....

As Mr Lyons once said ... "anger is an energy" ....

Certainly better than compliance, it can get to the point where some law will be passed, as a result of corporate lobby ... that requires a modification chip being inserted in peoples frontal lobs at birth. With some obscure explanation as to purpose.

A little far fetched possibly, but i figure, if they could get away with something like that ... then they probably would.

With the right packaging, pretty well any idea can be sold as a truth, unfortunately.

So ... anger -- ok, the trick i guess is to use that energy in some positive way. Rather than just letting it dissipate, or contribute to early rhumatisum onslaught.

Never give up hey (grin)



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Postby godofthedevil » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:57 pm

the only way you can get a computer without a pre-installed o/s is to build it yourself which i end up doing with my last desktop server.

i got a new dell lappy with my CIW course im doing took me almost an hour to strip the crap off it... we do spend too much on preinstalled software that we are never gonna use... what really annoys me now that pre-installed software now is ether "trial" or you dont have the cd's to do a soft restore if it messes up.
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