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The extremely sensible Linux Mint

Postby Oh well! » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:24 pm

Amazing! In the new world of next generation Linux desktops, someone has finally done something eminently sensible: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1851.
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Postby PCNetSpec » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:06 pm

I haven't seen MGSE in action, but from the blog description I'm at a loss to see much of a difference between MGSE and just selecting the "Gnome (Classic)" interface (from the cog on the login screen) in Ubuntu 11.10 ?

It seems like the same thing, but in green ?
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Postby Oh well! » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:25 pm

To put it a touch too bluntly: Gnome 3 has a future; Gnome 2 doesn't. Apparently the Gnome 2 codebase is complex and difficult to maintain whereas the Gnome 3 codebase is easier to maintain. As a result, selecting Gnome Classic is likely to cease to become an option far sooner than Gnome 3 with the MGSE makeover. There might be a Trinity-style continuation of Gnome 2, but it would be hard. So Gnome 3 with a Gnome 2 style of workflow is eminently sensible: that workflow pattern is very popular, and the development of the desktop environment is more secure. It's not just Gnome 2 in grey and slime colours.
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Postby Rhakios » Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:20 pm

Interesting, I've only tried Mint's XFCE version, but I might give this a go when it comes out. It's good to see a distro being focused on its users' experience, yet without getting stuck in the past in some fuddy-duddy manner.
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Postby PCNetSpec » Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:37 pm

Oh well! wrote:As a result, selecting Gnome Classic is likely to cease to become an option far sooner than Gnome 3 with the MGSE makeover.


I fully understand that Gnome 2.x is now a dead end, but I think you're misunderstanding me .. the "Gnome (Classic)" option in Ubuntu 11.10 isn't GNOME 2.x at all, but sat on top of GNOME 3.

AFAIK gnome-session-fallback does the same things that the Mint blog posting suggests MGSE does.

eg. menu's at the top left, 2 panels, windows listed on bottom panel, system tray in the panel, etc.

This is *not* the same as "Ubuntu (Classic)" in Natty, which *was* Gnome 2.x .. this is Gnome 3 behaving like Gnome 2.x, something that *already* exists in Ubuntu 11.10/GNOME 3, so what are Mint really doing that's different ?

I'm sorry, but to me this smacks of Mint backing out of their suggested commitment to continue to use GNOME 2.x, and claiming something that already exists (all be it un-mint-ified) as their justification.

I must add, that at this point I'm going by the blog description, and have no personal experience of the Mint Gnome Shell Extension.
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Postby guy » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:58 am

PCNetSpec wrote:I fully understand that Gnome 2.x is now a dead end, ... to me this smacks of Mint backing out of their suggested commitment to continue to use GNOME 2.x.


Eh? You expect Mint to commit themselves to delivering a dead end? For how long?

They offer two different routes to the gnome 2 experience - mgse (g2 lookalike) and mate (g2 fork). How many more do you want?
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Postby PCNetSpec » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:21 am

i didn't suggest they would, could, or should stick with G2 .. on the contrary, in a topic on another forum I suggested they wouldn't/couldn't:
http://linuxforums.org.uk/index.php?top ... 9#msg68919
It was Mint themselves that made that suggestion and won a lot of new users because of it (their own admission).

My point about MGSE still stands .. AFAIK there is little new other than a Mintified version of gnome-session-fallback.

I'll admit that I don't remember ever having read a *promise* to stick with G2, but they certainly *suggested* as much.

MATE, according to the blog post is still a big IF .. but fair enough, IF they include it.
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